A Collection of Essays and Debates Highlighting the Depraved Apologetics of J.P. Holding, a.k.a. Robert Turkel
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Last Update: March 16, 2013
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1.1 Brian Holtz
1.1.3 “The Not-So-Impossible Faith” 1
--Article which rebuts Turkel’s attempt to “explain why Christianity succeeded where it should have clearly failed or died out.” (The Richard Carrier article, below, also addresses Turkel’s “Impossible Faith” article.)
--A rebuttal to Turkel’s strained efforts to defend his article The Impossible Faith
--Brian Holtz: “Robert Turkel (at tektonics.org) would be a formidable advocate for inerrantist Christianity if he didn't have a clear record of boorishness and regularly failing to answer, correctly represent, and link to his opponent's arguments. His record is quantified here in ‘State of the Debate,’ and see here for his clumsy effort to return the favor. In our correspondence he offers a feeble defense of the justness of hell, and evades my (still unanswered) detailed questions to him about heaven.”
1.2 G. A. Wells
1.3 Richard Packham
--Covers a refutation of John Warwick Montgomery's presentation of the legal evidence for Christianity
1.4 Earl Doherty
--Turkel’s rebuttal essay
1.5 Acharya S.
--An author’s view of Turkel following an encounter
--Cygnus: “(J.P. Holding) did what all ‘good’ apologists do; he attacked, he belittled, he used ad hominem arguments, he ignored the issue at hand, and he was largely dishonest.”
Includes a large assortment of links.
1.7.2 Tektonics Ministry
1.8 Keith Parsons
1.9 Allan Glenn
--Turkel supplies “answers” to this young atheist’s set of questions.
1:10 Adam Marczyk (“Ebon Musings”)
--A well-spoken atheist responds to Turkel’s drivel that the OT does not contain contradictory passages.
1.11 Kenneth Richard Smith Quinnell, Jr.
--Not really a “debate,” but more of a reply to one of Turkel’s typical acid-filled essays written in response to one of Mr. Quinnell’s articles.
1.12 Farrell Till
--Farrell Till reveals to the readers of Internet Infidels the person of Robert Turkel, showing both sides of his split personality: the “old” and the “new.”
--Farrell Till accepts Turkel’s “Chicken Challenge” and dares Turkel to join his errancy
discussion list. To date (and true to form) Turkel has not joined the list of informed skeptics.
1.12.3 “The Turkey Take-Down”
--Farrell Till responds to Turkel’s evasion of the above article, “The Chicken Challenge.”
Look for the Turkel debates.
1.12.5 “Reply to Robert Turkel”
--Farrell Till Roasts Turkel’s attempted apologetic regarding the Jehu contradiction.
--In this little known pair of articles, Farrell Till takes a look at references Turkel used in their Jehu debate (above, 1.12.5).
--Covers verses from the gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke/Acts, and John as well as Romans and 1 Corinthians, regarding how everyone else in the New Testament seemed to know that Jesus would rise on the third day except his disciples.
--Turkel is a “preterist”. He believes the “prophecies” of the New Testament were fulfilled in 70 CE. This article exposes this belief along with Turkel’s tendency to create new definitions for words that otherwise are unambiguous to the normal reader or professional Bible translator.
--In this article, Till shows Turkel’s excuse for dismissing discrepancies in the gospel narratives
as something that “wouldn’t bother” ancient readers is simply not believable.
1.12.13 “Drooling for Dollars”
--Till shows Turkel’s false analogy in trying to compare his requests for donations with the
Freedom from Religion’s membership dues.
--Turkel promised to at least link to all the articles Till wrote while debating various subjects. In the
beginning, Turkel followed through with his commitment. As time wore on, and Turkel began to
look more and more ridiculous and as he devolved into his usual vicious personal attacks, the links
stopped. In this article, Till examines Turkel’s hypocrisy.
1:12:15 The Paper Shortage
--Turkel argues that the Bible writers ran out of paper and so they were forced to leave out
information and explanations. Till examines this idea.
1.12.16 “E-mail” regarding Turkel’s continuing refusal to debate Farrell Till.
--Till examines the inconsistent depictions of Mary Magdalene in different Gospels and Turkel’s efforts to explain them.
1.12.18 Bobby Wants an Apology?
--Till exposes a large number of mistakes, errors and contradictions in Turkel’s apologetics.
1:13 Doug Krueger
1.13.1 The Great Divorce Debate
1.14 1Richard Carrier
1.14.2 Rubicon Analogy (2006)
--“James Holding claims that we have as much evidence that Jesus rose from his grave as we have that Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon ("Julie's River Run: On Comparing the Rubicon to the Resurrection"). There are numerous errors in his argument. This rebuttal responds briefly to the most important issues.”
1:15 Ed Babinski
An e-mail to Steve Locks regarding his discussion with Holding.
1.16 Cliff Walker
1.16.1 “E-mail” in which Cliff Walker, webmaster of “Positive Atheism,” describes his discovery
of Turkel’s site.
1.17 John P. Kesler
1.17.2 Jesus Had Two Asses
1.17.3 Animals of the Ark
1.18 Russell C. McGregor
1.18.1 The Anti-Mormon Attackers
--Mormon Russell C. McGregor of Brigham Young University reviews Turkel’s book, “The Mormon Defenders.” Obviously unaware of Turkel’s style on his website, McGregor nonetheless correctly detects Turkel’s hypocritical and stuffed-shirt antics.
1.19 David Richards
1.19.1 Irrational Faith
-- Skeptic David Richards comments on Turkel’s article, “Fallacious Faith.” A wonderfully written piece that examines Turkel’s definition of the Christian faith.
1.20 Kyle Gerkin
1.20.1 Holding Overruled!
--This is a response to a review by Turkel of a piece by Mr. Gerkin entitled “Objections Sustained,” a critique of Lee Strobel’s book, The Case for Faith.
1.21 Joe Wallack
--The following comes from a post found on the Internet Infidel’s Forum
1.22.1 PTET Answers Tektonics
--Evidently, Turkel tried to embarrass this fellow some time back and he has penned a response.
1.23 Brett Palmer
1.23.1 Playing The Numbers Game
--As part of a larger discussion on the population of Israelites that participated in the Exodus,
Turkel’s ludicrous defense of 3 million souls expanding from a tribe of 70 is systematically demolished.
1:24:1 Apologetics (or Mother Goose Apologetics)
--The creator of TEKTONICS.ORG: EXPOSED! uses the same type of ridiculous doublespeak that Turkel uses to argue that, indeed, the cow DID jump over the moon. Highly recommended.
1:24:2 Turkel’s Software Blunder
--Holding made up an explanation for a repeated word in a Bible verse. As it turned out, the word was not repeated.
1:25 Matthew Green
Green uses a blog to detail a variety of problems with Turkel’s apologetics.
1:25:2 Writing James P Holding Off!
Green tries to befriend Turkel and finds that it is a mistake.
1:26 Chris Hallquist
Hallquist explains how Holding misuses and abuses the works that he cites.
1:27 Dr. Hector Avalos
1:28 Brian Flemming
1:29 J.P. Holding
A childish parody of a Secular Web essay.
1:29:2 The Jury Is In-sane!
Another childish parody.
1:29:3 Tektonics.org Graphics
Images from Holding’s web site.
1:30 Anonymous Submissions
-If any correspondence is received without attribution, it will be placed here:
1:30:2 Mr. Holding and Evolution
Holding rejects 150 years of biological science because he doesn’t like an analogy in a scientist’s book.
Click the link below to read some of the “darndest things” fundamentalists like Turkel say…
…and you’ll never wonder why Turkel is so popular with this crowd again!