Originally Posted by Goth_Slut
Negative. Especially considering there is still hell to consider.
In all honesty, his irrefutable presence would cement the reality of free will.
You can either choose, or not. Instead of choosing one side, and taking a gamble out of lack of information, and duress.
The current system is really more of an assault on free will, than the proposed solution that your attacking. Currently, we have ZERO conclusive proof that god does in fact exist. This makes any choice, a choice based on faith and fear. Ultimately a gamble. And thats only assuming you choose the RIGHT religion!
If god DID come down, then free will would be cemented, in that you could choose between two clearly distinct opposites.
Currently, you have nothing but duress.
Not really. Admitting that one has made an error is acceptable, considering proof would finally be within grasp. To err is human, to forgive is.....
Merely another non-answer. Any era in which god doesn't show, could be said to be evil, with no real yardstick by which to measure. And if you wanna go that route, Jesus also told disciples that he would appear to bring in the new kingdom within their lifetime.
2000 years later, we're still waiting.
Ok Goth, here is what I mean when I tried to illustrate about the free will part.
I should have added the faith ingredient, that bieng the most important part of the cake and I left it out!
We have 2 main camps, believers in heaven, Jesus, God, you know what I mean.
Then you have the non-beleivers, the skeptics, atheists and so forth.
Now, lets say God exists, but he doesn't want to impose or force himself on us, he want's it to be a free choice so he leave's us with creation as a strong signature of his existence, and combined with man's intellect and ability to rationalize and reason, are able to come to the conclusion that we were put here by some powerful force or being.
Here's a verse to go with it:
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
That's where the faith part comes in, there is even a verse to go along with it that as well:
Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
So, now remember, I'm only trying to illustrate more clearly what I tried to get across, this is how I see it from the perspective of there actually being a Creator.
Now we have free will based on faith, not solid evidence, for I believe that solid evidence would negate the faith part and would impose on one's free will.
"ok, now I know there is a God, I guess I'm forced to accept him or go to hell"
See how it imposes on one's free will?
If we can accept him on faith, then that reveals our sincerity and genuineness of wanting to follow Christ.
It's almost like criminals who have prison conversions, are they real or is it just a way of trying to scam the establishment?
If they are trying to scam, then they are not sincere and by them being in prison basically forced them into something they would not have done if they were not there.
They see it as a way of getting out, not truly being sincere.
I hope I clarified it.
If not, oh well no more baking for me, I'm just a lousy cook!